EP. 147 · 30.06.2026 · 1:05:00
SCALING, SEARCH AND WHAT COMES AFTER THE TRANSFORMER
with Demis Hassabis
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EPISODE BRIEF — EP. 147 · SCALING, SEARCH AND WHAT COMES AFTER THE TRANSFORMER Guest: Demis Hassabis · Published: 30.06.2026 · Duration: 1:05:00 【OVERVIEW】 Demis Hassabis on whether scale alone gets us to general intelligence, why AlphaZero-style search layered on language models may be the missing ingredient, and how DeepMind decides which research bets to make in a field moving this fast. 【KEY TAKEAWAYS】 1. Does scale alone get us there? 2. AlphaZero-style search atop language models 3. Choosing research bets under uncertainty 4. Timelines, and what would change his mind 【CHAPTERS】 00:00 — Does scale alone get us there? 18:00 — AlphaZero-style search atop language models 40:00 — Choosing research bets under uncertainty 58:00 — Timelines, and what would change his mind 【TOPICS】Scaling Laws · DeepMind · Search · AlphaZero · Research 【WATCH】https://thedaopod.com/episodes/ep-147-demis-hassabis-on-scaling
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Demis Hassabis on whether scale alone gets us to general intelligence, why AlphaZero-style search layered on language models may be the missing ingredient, and how DeepMind decides which research bets to make in a field moving this fast.
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EP. 147 · SCALING, SEARCH AND WHAT COMES AFTER THE TRANSFORMER
Demis Hassabis on whether scale alone gets us to general intelligence, why AlphaZero-style search layered on language models may be the missing ingredient, and how DeepMind decides which research bets to make in a field moving this fast.
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Co-founder & CEO, Google DeepMind
Co-founder and CEO of Google DeepMind. A Nobel laureate in Chemistry for AlphaFold, he continues to argue that general intelligence requires more than scale alone.
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